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Bersekr



Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Pirate Party Website Megathread! Reply with quote

Since there has been such eagerness to get a website online we need to get all the webheads in one place.

Here are the relevant posts to date:

Rafe wrote:
Hey everyone, Kurt Seifried has put up a website for the Pirate Party of Canada. It's just a WordPress blog for now, very basic, doesn't do quite what we need, but it's a start and hopefully it'll be more functional soon. Head on over, register, and leave an encouraging comment!

millette wrote:
Well, no more wordpress... I also wrote Kurt in order to get things started again. Alternatively, we'll just use another domain. I'm ready to arrrrumble!



jeremy_mccurdy wrote:

I've established a page for the party on Wikia, you can get to it here:
http://pirateparty.wikia.com/

I haven't really done much of anything to it yet, but I've left it open to edit while I try and establish content on it.

Anyone who wants to help work on it, feel free to make additions and changes, if you're not entirely tech savvy but would like to contribute an article or have any suggestions, post it here, pm me, or e-mail me at: jeremy_mccurdy@hotmail.com


CanadianPirateParty wrote:
I have been interested in this subject for some time and as the PirateParty.ca domain is taken and seems to be dormant I have registered a domain CanadianPirateParty.ca

My intent for this site is to provide a discussion and meeting forum for a variety of local/regional/national groups to organize and to present a realistic and balanced agenda for Copyright, Patent and Privacy reform in Canada.

Please let me know if you are interested in contributing or have suggestions for action.

David


cpt_chris wrote:
there is a 300 person facebook group called pirate party of canada http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6709501675 that links to the domain thepirateparty.ca which is blank.


stainedart wrote:
some guy said canadianpirateparty.org was taken and he seems to want to bring that site up!!
i guess the faster we get together the faster it going to be up.

Canada should in the first to fight against copyrights !!!

How should the hosting fee be handled? Do you think that there is some sort of help that can be used to get the party going here?

stainedart


rob.s.brit wrote:

I've registered:
piratepartyofcanada.com
piratepartyofcanada.ca

I need to find some good hosting but once we're there we can put up a good site.

Ok, a forum is up and running:
http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/forum/


colinmcc wrote:
Seems like we're intent on creating chaos in standards based world.. Wink

The US site is pirate-party.us

pirate-party.ca isn't taken, so wouldn't it be a better idea for each country to grab pirate-party.** where ** is their country suffix..

Just a thought.

Heading to Vancouver to see Rick Falkvinge give the keynote talk at Open Web Vancouver, (the Vancouver php association's get together) on Thursday. I'll probably see some of you there..


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Bersekr



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stainedart wrote:
I was thinkking of having an html and css site so until we get a db and a stable host it would more portable. But again I can have a backbone ready by 2morrow morning but I am also not the best !! In good looks but if someone have good photoshop skills thay can be put to good use that is for sure

Stainedart

If you want to communicate faster with me stainedart@gmail.com


rob.s.brit wrote:
I'd prefer to keep the discussion here so that others can throw their two cents in too.

Yeah keeping it in a non-vendor format would be good, that's one thing I have against Google's stuff. I just hate maintaining pure HTML/CSS pages because there is so much duplicate stuff in layouts and all that.

I'll do some looking around for hosting, what kind of stuff do we want supported? I'll assume MySQL, but do we want PHP, Ruby, Python, etc?


ProprietaryRPM wrote:
Are there plans for a French option for the website? I can try to help with translation or see if I can convince a few francophone friends to join the party. Also, I can write or proofread info for the English text.


Acesolid wrote:
ProprietaryRPM wrote:
Are there plans for a French option for the website? I can try to help with translation or see if I can convince a few francophone friends to join the party. Also, I can write or proofread info for the English text.


Je suis francophone. Et parfaitement bilingue. Si vous voulez traduire un texte englais en français envoyez moi le et je vais m'en occuper. Very Happy

Translation, I'm francophone, and perfectly bilingual. If you want a text translated from english to french, forward it to me and I'll take care of it.


stainedart wrote:
Moi aussi,

je suis un tremblay !!! quebecois pur race lol!!!

For the website i think that php and mysql are the easiest to port and the most widely known. So i guess it could be done with those my prefered choice would be java and jsp ... but i dont wanna impose!

Any ways all of those are open and dont require licences so its all good stuff!!

stainedart


jeremy_mccurdy wrote:
For hosting, I'd suggest https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/

They're ridiculously cheap(under ten bucks even when there's a LOT of bandwidth consumed.), and they're constantly updating their services to match new technologies.


rob.s.brit wrote:
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For hosting, I'd suggest https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/

They're ridiculously cheap(under ten bucks even when there's a LOT of bandwidth consumed.), and they're constantly updating their services to match new technologies.

Awesome, they look good. Let's do that.

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Are there plans for a French option for the website? I can try to help with translation or see if I can convince a few francophone friends to join the party. Also, I can write or proofread info for the English text.

Definitely, that's a MUST. However we need to think about what kind of text we want to put up on the site.

Quote:
For the website i think that php and mysql are the easiest to port and the most widely known. So i guess it could be done with those my prefered choice would be java and jsp ... but i dont wanna impose!

Yeah PHP would probably be the best solution, I don't really know Java/JSP so if we go with that you'd be on your own Wink Personally I'd pick a Ruby/JRuby, but PHP is more accessible and less of a pain in the ass to set up.


rob.s.brit wrote:
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You can wank over what programming to use after the hosting is secured and flag page is up


Usually it's a good idea to decide on what programming to use BEFORE you get your hosting company Razz

Anyway I signed up with these guys, I'll let everyone know when something is live. In the meantime, we need to come up with a good design. I just slapped up the logo from another thread.

http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/
http://www.piratepartyofcanada.ca/


trev wrote:
There's been many attempts at websites, lets make this count. Right now I think we need organization more than anything. So some type of forum that we have control of would be a good start. That would also be a good way to get a roll call.
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ryan



Joined: 01 Mar 2009
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Location: McGill, Montreal

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Website Content Reply with quote

Here is a proposal for what should perhaps appear on the website. It will give our writers something to get involved, while we continue to get the Technical and Artistic elements coming along. I am reposting from PiratePartyofCanada.com/forum



Nice work getting things set up so far.

I can't help much with the design, but I can start the discussion about website content.

I expect it will still be some time before we're actually registered as a party. At that point we'll want to fill this site with things like our actual platform, ways to formally join the Pirate Party, the Pirate Party of Canada Constitution, ways to contribute, information/blogs about IP/Privacy issues in Canada, etc. However, until we are much more coordinated and formalized I think we shouldn't worry about any of those things. So lets start discussing what the basic components of the webpage should be at this very early stage in the party.

For right now I think the most important thing to get up is a truthful description about where the Party is at the moment, and what people can do to get things moving forward.

Here is a proposal for immediate website content:

1) Homepage with welcome message
2) The Gentle Manifesto Page
3) Essential Info and Links Page
4) The groups and contacts page
5) The PPC Blog
6) The Forum


1) The homepage. I imagine we want a sleek sexy and fairly minimalist image, a nicely integrated logo, perhaps a perfect quotation. I would propose that we include a short and elegantly written message on the homepage explaining who we are, what the short term plans are, and how interested people can get involved.

2) The Gentle Manifesto. I called it a Gentle manifesto because I do not think it should make any sweeping claims or call for revolutionary action. Until we get enough people coordinated to have a real debate about what the party should be aspiring toward, I don't think that anyone will be able to write up a specific manifesto that speaks for the Canadian pirate movement. I propose we lay down a very vague portrait of the problems with current trends in intellectual property, and the actual manifesto will not focus on how to solve those problems so much as how to get people organized in the pirate movement to discuss those problems. I propose that the main call to action of the gentle manifesto be to get people to start up their own PP groups or start building the PP movement in their town. Are we more or less agreed that this is the correct way to approach party-building? We start at the grassroots and only seek top-down organization once the movement has developed into something of substance?

3) The Essential Info and links page would contain lots of basic info and links about IP/Privacy issues in Canada, links to the more established European parties pages, perhaps some info about the Creative Commons, free culture movements, etc.

4) The Blog. A strong blog is really important. This is what will bring people back to the site often and hopefully stimulate some committed involvement. We can focus on IP/Privacy issues in Canada, Similar issues around the world, big news in global pirate movement, small news in the Canadian pirate movement, etc. Finding a small team of committed blogs would be awesome. Any blogging volunteers?

5) The Groups and Contacts Page. As groups start developing and getting organized in various cities around the country we will start posting information about them here. We'll post local contact info for each of the clubs and some information about what the group is up to, when they meet, etc.... Perhaps we'll want to have one of the local groups exist solely in cyberspace for the people who can't get involved in the face-to-face grassroots groups.

Somewhere on the page will be something like "Don't See A group in your Area??? Start one up yourself! Click here for our carefully crafted information document about how to start a Pirate Party club in your area."

6) the Forum. needs no description.




How do you guys feel about this proposal? Anything missing? Anything that doesn't belong?

If we're going to go ahead with it, we'll have as much need for writers as we have for designers and techies!
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cpt_chris



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PiratePartyofCanada.com is hosted with godaddy. i don't mean to be rude or anything, but godaddy is a pretty ironic choice since they have been known to oppose net neutrality and donate to republicans. most people don't know this and since i've heard about it i've switched my urls to another host.
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Zblewski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cpt_chris wrote:
PiratePartyofCanada.com is hosted with godaddy. i don't mean to be rude or anything, but godaddy is a pretty ironic choice since they have been known to oppose net neutrality and donate to republicans. most people don't know this and since i've heard about it i've switched my urls to another host.


Who chose GoDaddy?

Horrible choice.
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cpt_chris



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

they have the best prices and are well known but they have deceptive schemes, their site is impossible to navigate, they try to sell you shit even after buying from them and bob parsons looks and acts like a narcissistic scumbag. they've succeeded because they have a deceptive marketing team.

the pirate party should have people like bob parsons thrown overboard. the consumer is the ruler of this internet.

if that domain is intended to be used, it should best be an independent canadian host.
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Bersekr



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

may I suggest contacting Rocky from TechSavvy? They have been part of the Canadian net-neutrality movement, etc. He might even be willing to donate the space
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rob.s.brit



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I picked GoDaddy because they are cheap, I was not aware of any shady dealings by them. If you can suggest a better provider, please let me know.

It has been requested that I take down the forums on the new site, I'm wondering what people think about this. While it would be good to keep all discussion in one place, I also think it is important to begin work on our own site and a forum is something quick and easy to show.
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Zblewski



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rob.s.brit wrote:
I picked GoDaddy because they are cheap, I was not aware of any shady dealings by them. If you can suggest a better provider, please let me know.

It has been requested that I take down the forums on the new site, I'm wondering what people think about this. While it would be good to keep all discussion in one place, I also think it is important to begin work on our own site and a forum is something quick and easy to show.


I would have picked a different forum engine, but I think our own forum would be the correct thing to do.
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Bersekr



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until we get things seriously going we need to concentrate our resources so that we can let it germinate, rather than have some folks end up here or there and let things splinter and get confused.

You can already see how messy things can get with how many domains have been registered thus far, we already have a wiki going, etc.

Let's take things one small step at a time Smile
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IceWendigo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote] is taken and seems to be dormant [/quote]

Isnt this also a lesser part of the problem, and somewhat parasitic, squatting names that arent being used for purely speculative purposes (so that it can be sold instead of using it). Its the equivalent of hoarding a pattent and not using it (the way Chevron is apparently hoarding a NiMH patent).

Not really using a name for several months I could undertand giving yourself a few months to develop your concept is quite long but still reasonalble, but hoarding it for over a year or hoarding dozens if not hundreds of names should not be tolerated
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Zblewski



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IceWendigo wrote:
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is taken and seems to be dormant


Isnt this also a lesser part of the problem, and somewhat parasitic, squatting names that arent being used for purely speculative purposes (so that it can be sold instead of using it). Its the equivalent of hoarding a pattent and not using it (the way Chevron is apparently hoarding a NiMH patent).

Not really using a name for several months I could undertand giving yourself a few months to develop your concept is quite long but still reasonalble, but hoarding it for over a year or hoarding dozens if not hundreds of names should not be tolerated


I don't think we'll hoard most of these names for too long. I think we'll keep a domain as the one we'll be using, and then keep just one other which is really close to ours, and make it redirect to the main one (Example: piratepartyofcanada.com and piratepartyofcanada.ca).
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rob.s.brit



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zblewski wrote:
I would have picked a different forum engine, but I think our own forum would be the correct thing to do.


Yep, the forum engine doesn't seem to be the best, I can look into migrating to another engine. However for now I'm putting that as a lower priority, since it seems to be doing the job at the moment.
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